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Post by Kippy on Jan 18, 2005 15:22:44 GMT -5
Lately, I am seeing some recipes for "Core" bread pudding and "Core" banana bread seeping into the recipe archive. Those of you that know me know that I am very anti-bakery goods on Core. But, WW has said Core + Core = Core. So I am not going to pull any baked good threads or recipes. Which I could conceivably do, because it's my playground, my rules, right? But I'm not a playground bully What I WILL ask every single member to do is to honestly examine their motives in making baked items, and to honestly examine how they handle them. If you are one who can make baked goods and have a small slice and leave the rest for your family, then God love you. Bake all day long! Most of us, if we examine ourselves, are not in that category. MOST of us got here overeating baked goods (amongst other foods). MANY of us do not know HOW to put the brakes on those types of foods and will munch and nibble at the whole pan until its gone. Ooops. If you're in the latter category, you may not be doing yourself any favors by baking concentrated bready and breadlike and cakelike and cookielike foods. As my friend SusieQ says (Mindful eating board) first you have to be willing to change your HABITS. Then you have to WORK at changing them. Changed habits will get us where we want to go and keep us there a lot faster and for a lot longer than just remaking "problem" foods to fit the Core food list. It's ultimately your program and ultimately how you handle it is up to you. So I will step down off my soapbox now, but I couldn't just sit idly by and let recipes that I strongly disgree with be posted on my site without at least addressing them. Thanks.
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Post by Rita on Jan 18, 2005 16:02:41 GMT -5
I really think WW backed down on the core+core=core because there was so much controversy. But there were reasons they came out against including baked goods as core - mainly the reasons Kippy has listed. We really want all of you to succeed at this new lifestyle and I think it's important to really evaluate your eating habits. As Kippy said:
Please go ahead and enjoy these foods in moderation - but COUNT THEM! They shouldn't be considered Core IMHO.
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Post by pookie on Jan 18, 2005 16:23:57 GMT -5
case in point--I could easily make myself sick on a casserole dish full of bread pudding. comfort zone? what's that?
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Post by jost on Jan 18, 2005 16:27:21 GMT -5
YEAH Kippy!!! Thats why I stopped the winning points program, as I was using points for DIET TREATS and not eating whole foods. I've only been eating core for 2 weeks but I feel SO much better and it is amazing how fruit quickly became an AWESOME dessert. I do not miss those baked goods at all and even if I tried to "core" them I'm afraid it would bring back those awfull cravings. I'ts not worth the risk for me personally
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Post by SusieQ on Jan 18, 2005 16:47:28 GMT -5
I would agree that certain Core "concoctions" should be approached honestly and carefully. I haven't made any Core "baked" goods at all, and I've been on the program since September. When I want a baked item, I use WPAs for it.
I know that Monica, Moonie, Rita, and FutureMach all got to goal on Core without using Core baked goods. I think that's a pretty useful observation!
Susie
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Post by laura281 on Jan 18, 2005 16:57:09 GMT -5
I agree that WW backed down on the Core baking ban due to the controversy. I have a feeling there were mixed opinions at the WW corp, especially considering the magazine muffin fiasco. I think in the end WW figured it was easier to cave in than to retract that recipe. Personally, I'll be counting points for my baked goods, and they'll be items I really like. The baked oatmeal has never sounded appealing to me, even back when people were making it on Flex, before Core existed.
This is one of those things where people are just going to have to see what works for them.
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Post by Buttonsmom on Jan 18, 2005 17:13:56 GMT -5
I tried a few of the "baked" goods before the controversy, and did not find them worth the work it took to make. If I were going to eat baked goods, I would rather have really yummy ones and count the points.
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Post by ksusarah on Jan 18, 2005 17:13:58 GMT -5
The way I look at it is that there are no baked goods on the Core list, so to me, baked goods are not Core. Not with all Core ingredients, not with mostly core ingredients, not at all.
I got to where I was at before WW with the aid of many baked goods, high fructose corn syrup, big portions, and not enough exercise.
I am at my current weight because I have cut out the baked goods, HFCS, cut my portions and upped my exercise.
If I want a piece of cake, I'm heading to the local bakery for a good, but small, slice of their best. I'm not grinding oats, puree-ing beans, or whatever else people do to make Core baked goods. It's not worth it, and IMHO, it defeats the purpose.
You have 35 WPAs to use for non Core foods, and for me, that includes baked goods.
yes, you can split hairs on what constitutes a baked good, so to be clear of what I think of as a baked good: muffins, cookies, cakes, baked dessert like items.
My biggest thing is this: do the plan as it's written. Try it that way for 2-3 weeks. See how much better you will feel. Stop saying "I can't give up my sweets" and start looking at how your habits have gotten you to WW, and how you can change them to be successful in your weight loss journey.
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Post by dennes on Jan 18, 2005 18:32:45 GMT -5
This whole baked treats thing is so important! Kippy is right about this and I'm sorry WW couldn't stick with what they should have known was right. Just follow the CORE list and you"ll feel so much better!
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Post by JeddoMom on Jan 18, 2005 19:27:08 GMT -5
Thank you Kippy!!!!
I have noticed something really interesting in the last week or so and I hope you don't mind if I share it here.
If you have watched any TV lately, you have been inundated with ads showing all the different weight-loss programs and products out there. Just about all of them advertise, in one way or another, that you can basically, have your cake and eat it too, literally.
Kirsty Alley says for Jenny Craig, "Cmon people, we get to eat chicken fettuccini!!"
Slimfast says we can drink chocolate shakes and eat chocolate "meal" bars and lose weight.
What I've learned from the oh so many diets that I've been on, is that once you stop eating these wonder foods, you gain back all the weight you lost, plus some. Why? Well, you lost weight by eating chicken fettuccini and chocolate bars!! What is to keep you from eating those things in the real world once you stop your supply of "diet" foods? Nothing!!
Your thinking hasn't changed at all. Just your body. You may look good, but you can't stay that way if you don't change what is inside. That desire to eat a chocolate bar has never gone away. It still lives inside of you and demands to be fed.
That is why I do not believe that the original Core developers ever intended for baked goods to be Core. We have to teach our bodies to enjoy wholesome foods, as close to their natural states as possible. They gave us 35 WPA's because we all live the real world and knew the challenges we would face while learning to live and eat healthier.
Thin people do eat baked goods, ONCE IN AWHILE. They just don't spend large portions of their day thinking about them, finding ways to include them in their daily diets, and dreaming about when their next one will be available. I knew that if I was ever to be thin, and stay that way, I had to change my thinking. Eating too many sugary baked goods and other junk made me overweight. Choosing to severely limit these kinds of foods has made me thin. My thinking has changed, forever.
My 2 cents...........Monica
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Post by kathleen320 on Jan 18, 2005 19:28:37 GMT -5
And 2 cents well spent, Monica. Good points.
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Post by shutterbug187 on Jan 18, 2005 20:39:32 GMT -5
So happy this issue was addressed. When I first started core I played with the baked oatmeal etc... never found the fight combo, then realized I was just fooling myself. If I want sweets I count them as I did over the weekend and I know they are a trigger food for me, but had a NSV last night when I made 11, yes 11 dozen chocolate chip cookies and didn't taste the batter or eat any cookies. It was hard, but I kept on brushing my teeth and looking at the scale monster and was ok.
Dont' know how I'll do tomorrow, but last night was a victory for me.
Anyway - no "free" sweets for me.
Janice
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Post by JoJo404 on Jan 18, 2005 21:37:14 GMT -5
I lurve me some hard-core no-nonsense realistic practical motivated and intelligent weight watchers! You guys are soooo great. Nuttin left for me to say- it's all in my beany-muffiny-yuckity ticker:
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Post by jmmoon on Jan 18, 2005 21:42:46 GMT -5
I'm going to join in on this by way of quoting a couple of my articulate friends who've already posted: Sarah said, "The way I look at it is that there are no baked goods on the Core list, so to me, baked goods are not Core. Not with all Core ingredients, not with mostly core ingredients, not at all." My leader, an 18year lifer and a Core-ista, taught me "no baked goods are Core" and although she's told me the newer wiffle-waffling of WW, she and I agree that this was simply sucking up to the whiny people who didn't want to change their eating patterns.
And Monica pointed out that if you keep eating sweets as treats, yes you may lose, but "Your thinking hasn't changed at all. Just your body. You may look good, but you can't stay that way if you don't change what is inside. That desire to eat a chocolate bar has never gone away. It still lives inside of you and demands to be fed." I've been successful on this program because I changed my approach and relationship to food. Completely.
I never did care much for sweets and did not become morbidly obese because of sweets. My thing is protein and fat--meat, nuts, cheese, etc. But that's not to say I was not sugar reactive---if you put a well-made fatty sweet in front of me (cheesecake, scones, etc) I would definitely dive in. I had to change my reactions and relationship to those types of food in order to not feel deprived or anxious around those foods. I've done that fairly well---I'm satisfied with my ability to not feel an attraction to those foods anymore.
And I'm 10 days from Lifetime status because I've done the hard and honest work to make those changes. Eat baked goods on Core, but be honest with yourself. Call them non-Core and count points for them.
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Post by akansan on Jan 18, 2005 23:24:18 GMT -5
There's not much new I can add to this thread, but I agree whole-heartedly. Continuing the habit of baked goods and deserts by allowing unlimited "free" beany-muffins in my Core life seems counter-productive. This just teaches me that once I'm finally at goal, I can switch my beany muffins for real muffins...and then I'm back where I started.
Unless I can reduce the cravings and redirect my food choices, I can never be assured of continued weight management. I will always have the cravings, always desire that baked treat, and more often then naught, give in to those cravings and desires. Now is my chance to change not only my weight, but my food desires.
And that, my friends, is what Core is about. Changing your food desires to healthy choices of unlimited foods rather than limiting your foods by points. So, to me, free baked goods are not Core-wise choices.
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