Please read: Core, baking and this board

[Kippy]

Lately, I am seeing some recipes for "Core" bread pudding and "Core" banana bread seeping into the recipe archive.

Those of you that know me know that I am very anti-bakery goods on Core.

But, WW has said Core + Core = Core.

So I am not going to pull any baked good threads or recipes. Which I could conceivably do, because it's my playground, my rules, right? But I'm not a playground bully

What I WILL ask every single member to do is to honestly examine their motives in making baked items, and to honestly examine how they handle them.

If you are one who can make baked goods and have a small slice and leave the rest for your family, then God love you. Bake all day long!

Most of us, if we examine ourselves, are not in that category. MOST of us got here overeating baked goods (amongst other foods). MANY of us do not know HOW to put the brakes on those types of foods and will munch and nibble at the whole pan until its gone. Ooops.

If you're in the latter category, you may not be doing yourself any favors by baking concentrated bready and breadlike and cakelike and cookielike foods.

As my friend SusieQ says (Mindful eating board) first you have to be willing to change your HABITS. Then you have to WORK at changing them.

Changed habits will get us where we want to go and keep us there a lot faster and for a lot longer than just remaking "problem" foods to fit the Core food list.

It's ultimately your program and ultimately how you handle it is up to you. So I will step down off my soapbox now, but I couldn't just sit idly by and let recipes that I strongly disgree with be posted on my site without at least addressing them.

Thanks.

[jmmoon]

Not that you asked what I thought, but I don't consider any baked good to be Core. That broadly encompasses cakes, breads, muffins, pudding, scones, fruit crisps, cobblers, etc.

The original Core guidelines were very specific: If Core ingredients are combined to make a non-Core food, then the result is not Core. Later variations of the plan were weakened to pacify members who didn't want to spend points on such concoctions. However, you will find very few successful Core people who are at goal or below who got there by eating things like that and counting them as Core. Where do you want to go with your program?

We are given 35 WPAs per week to use any way we see fit. If one needs to consume baked goods, that's what category they should fall into.

[Buttonsmom]

jmmoon said:

The original Core guidelines were very specific: If Core ingredients are combined to make a non-Core food, then the result is not Core. Later variations of the plan were weakened to pacify members who didn't want to spend points on such concoctions.

I guess I do not have the original guidelines, my getting started book on page 32, says "The simplest way to manage recipes is to combine only Core Foods together. The recipe would then count as a Core Food." That said, I would not make any baked foods including lasagna without counting it. It would be a red-light food for me.

[jmmoon]

I'm sorry, I should be more specific. Shortly after the initial rollout of the plan, WW figured out that they had really F'd up in proofreading. They circulated a list of corrections and clarifications at the Meetings. As far as I ever heard, online only members never saw this list except for from those of us who posted it on the boards. Some meetings never handed these out, but enough of us received the same list so we were sure it was legit.

My leader is my authority, however, and she did give me the list. The part that I am referring to is:

"- When using Core ingredients to make recipes, the finished product should
be a Core food. For example using cornmeal, eggs, Splenda and fat-free milk
to make corn bread or corn muffins is not OK as bread products including
muffins, tortillas etc. are not Core foods. Making ice cream from fat-free
milk and Splenda is not OK because ice cream is not a Core food."

That is strictly a copy/paste quote, I have not paraphrased WW officials in any way.

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Core casseroles and such were not included in these restrictions, but if we feel unable to stop with them---I would have trouble with a good lasagne myself---we know that they are potentially red light foods for us.

[LoserQMelissa]

Actually the latest stance is a recipe made up of all Core ingredients is Core. No more explanation needed. Core was meant to be simple and they wanted to keep it that way. Limiting what you could make with Core ingredients was complicating the Plan. This is the info we were given as part of a recent employee newsletter.

[Lesley1]

I think there's a simple way that WW could communicate the point. There simply is a category of foods -- baked goods --- that is not Core. The components of the category are irrelevant. If a food is in that category, it's not Core. End of discussion. That doesn't seem so difficult that WW couldn't have explained it.

[saf2004]

Lesley1 said:

I think there's a simple way that WW could communicate the point. There simply is a category of foods -- baked goods --- that is not Core. The components of the category are irrelevant. If a food is in that category, it's not Core. End of discussion. That doesn't seem so difficult that WW couldn't have explained it.

I don't know, Lesley. I can hear all of the "what do you mean, can't I have a baked potato/lasagna/meatloaf/baked roast/insert any food cooked in the oven here" questions that would result in. Can you imagine what the WPA board would be like then!